tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3084007660501231065.post5770618702100501562..comments2023-06-16T00:20:43.359+10:00Comments on It Ain't Always My Life: Youth and Alcohol – Are We Killing Our Kids?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3084007660501231065.post-63643698377795521262010-04-16T07:04:29.579+10:002010-04-16T07:04:29.579+10:00Bbox - brilliant comments The source of the comme...Bbox - brilliant comments The source of the comment regarding the 21yo is persoanl experience. He IS 21, he DID lose his job, he DID lose his licence, and he IS currently sitting at home drinking. It's been 2 weeks and he's already selling assets to accomodate the cost of drinking.<br /><br />The 1000's, I'm one person - I know of serveral people who have achohol problems, similiar but not as several as the 21yo. So If know 4, then looking across the youth of Australia, coomon sense tells me that there MUST be 1000's, when you look at the populations numbers. Some state are worse than others.<br /><br />The attitude of 20yrs is correct, I'm a little **cough** older than that, and certainly noticed a decline in common sense, in fact it is one thing, that I often comment about.<br /><br />And regarding the common dominator and lower all standards to that level, it happens in schools, it happens in the work place, it happene everywhere, Not just with laws<br /><br />BBox, thank-you for the comment, very insightful and certainly food for thought!Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07010538586118008820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3084007660501231065.post-63698584021993204552010-04-16T02:12:57.777+10:002010-04-16T02:12:57.777+10:00Hmmm...there's a lot I could say about a lot i...Hmmm...there's a lot I could say about a lot in this post but I might just make 2 points.<br /><br />It seems that people in general have lost the ability to take personal responsibility for their own lives and for those in their care and complain when something bad happens because of that. Through that we've seen more litigation, causing organisations and all levels of govt to react irrationally in some cases and introduce draconian requirements that tend to punish those that were never at any risk in order to prevent the dumbest in society from doing themselves injury. The barrage of obstacles that then builds up has an impact of the development and growth of communities, including the natural relationships within those communities, leading to antisocial consequences to those who never experienced them as time moves on. This then feeds off itself and goes into a downward spiral, causing even more irrational and draconian kneejerk responses from the top. Taken long enough, we're looking at Nanny State where no one is allowed to do ordinary adult things because the standards have been forced down to the level of the youngest and stupidest. Take it another step and you start to enter the realm of totalitarian regime where no one is allowed to know about an alternative way of life nor even discuss the possibilities. A lot of what we see today in terms of attitudes of young people and what they do has been building up for more than 20 years. There is no acknowledgment of this and govts running on 3 and 4 year terms don't have the imagination or security of tenure to instigate long term measures to address the real problems. None of them know what to do about it, really, beyond strategies that grab column inches in newspapers that address merely the symptoms without any effect on the root cause. To start making any real change, people need to start talking about how we actually got to this point and start thinking about how we get back.<br /><br />The second thing to keep in mind is the concept of forbidden fruit and what that means to a rebellious teen who wants to make a point and prove you're not the boss of them and has no concept of their own limitations. I'd be wary of driving an outright prohibition strategy in this given that it's not terribly difficult, with a bit of focus and determination, to create much more potent and seriously health damaging "home-brews" (in the literal sense - pun not intended) from potato peelings, for example, that can quite easily see people go blind. (OMG - again, no pun - I didn't even notice that one until I read it back.) If you look back at the figures, the per capita intake of pure alcohol during the years of the US alcohol prohibition actually increased from the period before. <br /><br />When looking at papers and research released by organisations, the motivations should be examined and agendas considered behind those releases. Especially when it comes to statistics - that are third in line after lies and damned lies - and very especially when the wording is carefully crafted. <br /><br />Heather, do you have a source for that initial report that you heard about the 21yo male? Also any citation of the 1000's of other similar cases in Melbourne?Bboxhttp://www.boxcutters.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3084007660501231065.post-2753229537019340342010-04-03T22:00:33.914+11:002010-04-03T22:00:33.914+11:00The threat of punishment was enough. Funny though,...The threat of punishment was enough. Funny though, we are worrying the young people as our parents worried about us and our parents' parent's worried about them. I think it will be ok. There are too many sensible young people around for it not to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3084007660501231065.post-34375656106061008952010-04-01T22:47:11.499+11:002010-04-01T22:47:11.499+11:00My personal thoughts are that once upon a time chi...My personal thoughts are that once upon a time children were seen and not heard, but in the swinging 60-70's it became okay for little johnny to talk back and experiment a little with 'naughty' things and not get terribly punished, and then when those children had children they took it a step further and now we are looking at the consequences of free and liberal thinking. Call me old-fashioned, but sometimes plain old rules with relative punishment sometimes is all that is needed very early on.<br />These days it is not fashionable to say no to little Johnny, you might harm his self-esteem - SERIOUSLY!<br />How can anything be solved with that attitude?Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07010538586118008820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3084007660501231065.post-67108780174677320602010-04-01T21:33:51.807+11:002010-04-01T21:33:51.807+11:00I am glad I don't have to set a good example t...I am glad I don't have to set a good example to kids but if I had kids, I would be responsible, as I am work wise because I have to be .00 Two workmates just last week both lost their licences for second drink driving offences. <br /><br />When I was young, drinking was ok and many drove after drinking. Kids did get drunk, but they generally did not write themselves off like kids do now. Your parental example only works up to point. Many kids had bad examples too in the sixties and seventies, yet did not drink like young people do now. These kids would now be of our age and their children are the ones who go overboard. It is puzzling and certainly not simple. Partly it must be that being drunk was bad when I was young, sneered at by many. Is this just one more area where our generation has failed the generation that followed and are subsequently failing the next?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com